Comments on: Politics, Leadership, and the Muslim Woman http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/ where the Arab world thinks out loud Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:56:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Feminism and Islam are incompatible « Islamic Reality http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-1681 Feminism and Islam are incompatible « Islamic Reality Wed, 13 May 2009 08:40:51 +0000 http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/#comment-1681 [...] [1] Ed. Ted Honderich. 1995. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, Oxford University Press, Oxford. p.270 [2] Ibid. [3] Ibid. [4] Ibid. [5] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ in Politics and Feminism, Blackwell, Oxford, pp. p.121 [6] Ed. Ted Honderich. 1995. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, Oxford University Press, Oxford. p.483 [7] Ibid. [8] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ p., p.121 [9] Op. Cit. [10] Ibid. [11] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ p., p.129 [12] Ibid., p.122 [13] Ed. Ted Honderich. 1995. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, p.483 [14] Op. Cit., p.127 [15] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ in Politics and Feminism, Blackwell, Oxford, pp. p.138 [16] Ibid. [17] Ibid. [18] Ibid. [19] Ibid. [20] Ibid. [21] Ibid., p.139 [22] http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/300700.html [23] Ibid. [24] Ibid. [25] Ibid. [26]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080330.wislamcatholic0330/BNStory/International/home [27] Saifur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri. 2002. The Sealed Nectar: Biography of the Noble Prophet, Darussalam, Riyadh. p.30. [28] An-Nabhani, Taqiuddin. 2002. Nidham ul-Islam (The System of Islam), Al-Khilafah Publications, London, p. 88. [29]Taqiuddin an-Nabhani. 2002. Nidham ul-Islam, p.59. [30] The Koran. revised edition 2005. trans. N. J. Dawood. Penguin Books, London, p.248. [31] The Koran. trans. D. J. Dawood, p. 299. [32] Ahmed, Leila. 1992. Women and Gender in Islam., p.149. [33]Ibid., p144. [34] Ibid. [35] Ibid. [36] Ibid., p. 155. [37] Ibid., p. 168. [38] Ibid., p.180 [39] Ibid. [40] Ibid. [41] Ahmed, Leila. 1992. Women and Gender in Islam, p.180. [42] Ibid. [43]Ibid. [44] http://www.monthlyreview.org/0302darraj.htm [45] Ibid. [46] Ibid. [47] Ahmed, Leila. 1992. Women and Gender in Islam [48] The Koran. trans. D. J. Dawood, p.194. [49] Ibid., p.142 [50] http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/ [...] [...] [1] Ed. Ted Honderich. 1995. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, Oxford University Press, Oxford. p.270 [2] Ibid. [3] Ibid. [4] Ibid. [5] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ in Politics and Feminism, Blackwell, Oxford, pp. p.121 [6] Ed. Ted Honderich. 1995. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, Oxford University Press, Oxford. p.483 [7] Ibid. [8] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ p., p.121 [9] Op. Cit. [10] Ibid. [11] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ p., p.129 [12] Ibid., p.122 [13] Ed. Ted Honderich. 1995. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, p.483 [14] Op. Cit., p.127 [15] Arneil, B. 1999. ‘Politics and Feminism: Deconstructing the theoretical frameworks,’ in Politics and Feminism, Blackwell, Oxford, pp. p.138 [16] Ibid. [17] Ibid. [18] Ibid. [19] Ibid. [20] Ibid. [21] Ibid., p.139 [22] http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/300700.html [23] Ibid. [24] Ibid. [25] Ibid. [26]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080330.wislamcatholic0330/BNStory/International/home [27] Saifur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri. 2002. The Sealed Nectar: Biography of the Noble Prophet, Darussalam, Riyadh. p.30. [28] An-Nabhani, Taqiuddin. 2002. Nidham ul-Islam (The System of Islam), Al-Khilafah Publications, London, p. 88. [29]Taqiuddin an-Nabhani. 2002. Nidham ul-Islam, p.59. [30] The Koran. revised edition 2005. trans. N. J. Dawood. Penguin Books, London, p.248. [31] The Koran. trans. D. J. Dawood, p. 299. [32] Ahmed, Leila. 1992. Women and Gender in Islam., p.149. [33]Ibid., p144. [34] Ibid. [35] Ibid. [36] Ibid., p. 155. [37] Ibid., p. 168. [38] Ibid., p.180 [39] Ibid. [40] Ibid. [41] Ahmed, Leila. 1992. Women and Gender in Islam, p.180. [42] Ibid. [43]Ibid. [44] http://www.monthlyreview.org/0302darraj.htm [45] Ibid. [46] Ibid. [47] Ahmed, Leila. 1992. Women and Gender in Islam [48] The Koran. trans. D. J. Dawood, p.194. [49] Ibid., p.142 [50] http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/ [...]

]]> By: nk http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84 nk Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:33:01 +0000 http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/#comment-84 Prime, your line is so tired it is laughable. Whenever people like you go on the offensive against muslims like us, it's the same old silly song: "You don't understand religion. You are not qualified to talk about it" ... blah blah blah blah. If Islam was the static religion that you are trying to make it to be, it would never have grown into what it is today. Islam grew and conquered the hearts and minds of so many people because it is about logic, justice and wisdom. And please stop this crap of attacking progressive muslims by saying they don't understand the religion. I am willing to bet you that I have read more Islamic history than you and your beloved scholars. The only difference is that I read it with an open mind. While you read it in a sleep-walking state as a manual of DOs and DON'Ts. In any cases, progressive muslims like me will not be silenced by you any longer. We are coming out and reclaiming our religion. And with time, we will rescue our religion from your entirely non-Islamic dogma. If people like you lived at the time of the prophet, you would have declared Omar Bin Khattab an infidel. Prime, your line is so tired it is laughable. Whenever people like you go on the offensive against muslims like us, it’s the same old silly song: “You don’t understand religion. You are not qualified to talk about it” … blah blah blah blah. If Islam was the static religion that you are trying to make it to be, it would never have grown into what it is today. Islam grew and conquered the hearts and minds of so many people because it is about logic, justice and wisdom. And please stop this crap of attacking progressive muslims by saying they don’t understand the religion. I am willing to bet you that I have read more Islamic history than you and your beloved scholars. The only difference is that I read it with an open mind. While you read it in a sleep-walking state as a manual of DOs and DON’Ts.

In any cases, progressive muslims like me will not be silenced by you any longer. We are coming out and reclaiming our religion. And with time, we will rescue our religion from your entirely non-Islamic dogma. If people like you lived at the time of the prophet, you would have declared Omar Bin Khattab an infidel.

]]> By: Tariq http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Tariq Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:05:15 +0000 http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/#comment-83 "You Westerner!!!" is a common ad hominem insult, flung toward any Muslim who dares to <em>think</em> about his or her religion. It's tiring and repetitive. It's so very much like Christian fundamentalism in America that it makes me want to laugh. Not all Muslims think of Islam as a static and shallow. The only one who needs to "grow up" is Prime. “You Westerner!!!” is a common ad hominem insult, flung toward any Muslim who dares to think about his or her religion. It’s tiring and repetitive. It’s so very much like Christian fundamentalism in America that it makes me want to laugh.

Not all Muslims think of Islam as a static and shallow.

The only one who needs to “grow up” is Prime.

]]> By: Prime http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Prime Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:01:13 +0000 http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/#comment-82 It's simple. You all view Islam with western eyes, Ideals, Values, Ethics, Logic and Morals. Your premise is skewed and warped, and you're trying to use the worldy to judge what is beyond. You say the problem with Islam is it scholars . . . . No, there is no problem with Islam. The problem with the Muslims is that some of them, like you, are trying to recreate and modify the religion to be accepted by the west. Perhaps this is due to your lack of vision, and complete inability to understand History. Not to mention your totall lack of knowledge on the religion, the Sharia, the Sunnah, the Quran, the scholars, the Mathaheb, etc etc. You are not qualified to discuss this matter or preech it. Everything you say is your own opinion, and you're entitled to it. But one thing you can not do is simply go about saying "This Hadith is wrong, this one is ok, I like that one, but not that one" "hey God, I'll do everything you asked of me, but I won't pray, or give zakat, and I like drinking, so I'm going to do that , but other than that, we're fine right God?" Grow up all of you, Islam is submiting to Gods will through your faith and actions. I am not a scholar, so I won't make bogus fatwas , can those that disagree with me say the same? Will you stop pretending to be Muftees? It’s simple. You all view Islam with western eyes, Ideals, Values, Ethics, Logic and Morals.

Your premise is skewed and warped, and you’re trying to use the worldy to judge what is beyond.

You say the problem with Islam is it scholars . . . .

No, there is no problem with Islam.

The problem with the Muslims is that some of them, like you, are trying to recreate and modify the religion to be accepted by the west. Perhaps this is due to your lack of vision, and complete inability to understand History. Not to mention your totall lack of knowledge on the religion, the Sharia, the Sunnah, the Quran, the scholars, the Mathaheb, etc etc.

You are not qualified to discuss this matter or preech it. Everything you say is your own opinion, and you’re entitled to it. But one thing you can not do is simply go about saying “This Hadith is wrong, this one is ok, I like that one, but not that one”

“hey God, I’ll do everything you asked of me, but I won’t pray, or give zakat, and I like drinking, so I’m going to do that , but other than that, we’re fine right God?”

Grow up all of you, Islam is submiting to Gods will through your faith and actions. I am not a scholar, so I won’t make bogus fatwas , can those that disagree with me say the same? Will you stop pretending to be Muftees?

]]> By: Suroor http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Suroor Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:20:45 +0000 http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/#comment-79 Thanks for the visit and your comment, nk! "Frankly, as a Muslim who is well read on Islamic History and the Prophet’s life, I am 100% convinced there is no way he said that." - Ditto! In fact many people have argued that the hadith may be fabricated because of Abu Bakra’s past record. Thanks for the visit and your comment, nk!

“Frankly, as a Muslim who is well read on Islamic History and the Prophet’s life, I am 100% convinced there is no way he said that.” – Ditto!

In fact many people have argued that the hadith may be fabricated because of Abu Bakra’s past record.

]]> By: nk http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-78 nk Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:13:17 +0000 http://arabcomment.com/2008/politics-leadership-and-the-muslim-woman/#comment-78 Thanks a lot for the excellent piece Suroor. But i think there is one issue where I disagree fundamentally (and as a fellow Muslim). In your heart of hearts, do you genuinely believe that the Prophet PBUH could have made the statement: "A nation which placed its affairs in the hands of a woman shall never prosper.” The Prophet spentmost of his life fighting for equality between all, and one of his fist acts as Prophet was to fight for the right of girl enfants. He married one of the most successful women of the region. Is there any way such a man could have uttered this statement. Frankly, as a Muslim who is well read on Islamic History and the Prophet's life, I am 100% convinced there is no way he said that. Part of the ongoing problem with Islam today is that we do not have the courage to stand up and say that so much of the so-called Hadith is fabricated. I don't care if it's Bukhari or Muslim, or whoever is the source, so many of those Hadiths do not make sense and fly in the face of the Prophet's record and story. There is no doubth that so many of those hadiths were fabricated to suit the needs of scholars and rulers as time went by. And the outcry that usually meets such comments as this one is yet another ploy by the clerics and so-called authorities to ensure the continued submission of Islam to their dogma. Trust me Suroor, if a Hadith of the prophet does not make sense, just follow your heart and make a judgment without fear. Thanks a lot for the excellent piece Suroor. But i think there is one issue where I disagree fundamentally (and as a fellow Muslim). In your heart of hearts, do you genuinely believe that the Prophet PBUH could have made the statement: “A nation which placed its affairs in the hands of a woman shall never prosper.” The Prophet spentmost of his life fighting for equality between all, and one of his fist acts as Prophet was to fight for the right of girl enfants. He married one of the most successful women of the region. Is there any way such a man could have uttered this statement. Frankly, as a Muslim who is well read on Islamic History and the Prophet’s life, I am 100% convinced there is no way he said that. Part of the ongoing problem with Islam today is that we do not have the courage to stand up and say that so much of the so-called Hadith is fabricated. I don’t care if it’s Bukhari or Muslim, or whoever is the source, so many of those Hadiths do not make sense and fly in the face of the Prophet’s record and story. There is no doubth that so many of those hadiths were fabricated to suit the needs of scholars and rulers as time went by. And the outcry that usually meets such comments as this one is yet another ploy by the clerics and so-called authorities to ensure the continued submission of Islam to their dogma. Trust me Suroor, if a Hadith of the prophet does not make sense, just follow your heart and make a judgment without fear.

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